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An intro and high hopes from Holland

Hi All,

First of all a big hello from Holland...Haarlem to be exact, in between Amsterdam and the (tiny) coastline.
I came across this site looking for a webresource hopefully a bit more involved than the usual "dump your mixes/productions/whatever here so we can all send you a one-liner telling you it's the bomb even though we've hardly listened" forum stuff.
I've been creating or at least trying to create music from a very early age, starting out with the usual early-age improvised drum set as soon as I could stand and walk, consisting mostly of cardboard, a plastic bucket and a few pots and pans ;-P
Working my way up through proper accoustic drum sets and bassguitar, heavily influenced by the DIY punk and ska attitude and music "before my time" (musically blessed with an older brother ;-) , I got my hands on my first Atari ST with Cubase and a MIDI keyboard and the rest really is history, I was hooked instantly.
I spent countless hours behind ST and Amiga based ProTracker/ModTracker and Cubase setups with crude MIDI controller keyboards and all kinds of semi-functional as-cheap-as-possible analog audio hardware as well as playing bassguitar and drums in a fair amount of extremely energetic but honestly rather poor sounding local bands..so no claim to fame there, just really good fun playing small local venues and squats.
Fast forward to now, even though it's still only something "on the side" next to my dayjob as an engineer, I'm still a complete music addict with extremely broad influences from any music that's got (preferrably unpolished ;-) great basslines and rhythm sections. This somehow translates into my mostly sample based electronical music (including samples from myself plaing drums or bassguitar) which might be generically described as upbeat and raw tekno with clear punk/metal/hip-hop/ska/new-wave/any-music-thats-banging influences both in lifted samples as well as song's "mood".
Weapon of choice is Reason 4 as 90% of my digital instruments with a couple of good MIDI-controllers and M-Audio Delta cards providing analog I/O and through good use of combinators and pattern devices hardly ever needing an (integrated or external) sequencer...I like to improvise and play-as-I-go up to a certain point as I'm used to doing playing and recording "real" drums and bassguitar.
Using large amounts of self-created samples, patterns and Reason instrument patches without necessarily laying out fixed full length tracks in advance, Reason IMHO is one of the most powerful and (perhaps more importantly) fun tools to use maintaining that feeling of creating and playing instruments instead of just staring (and swearing ;-) at a spreadsheet-type sequencer app. My background in using real-world audio hardware makes the gate/CV/modulation/etc. routing and chaining rather logical and sometimes I'm still surprised by the flexibility and possibillities of Reason to solve certain problems, create new fx, etc.
This is very much an opinion though, I'm equally impressed by VST-based packages like Ableton combined with the right kit, but Reason is what I know well and I rather push a bit harder to squeeze the most out of Reason than having to learn a very different workflow, instruments and sw config unless it's absolutely necessary.
I use the usual suspects for pre/post-processing/mastering of samples and recordings, mainly CoolEdit/Audition for cleaning up samples (removing noise, clicks, background sounds,etc) and WaveLab for mastering.

This intro turned out to be a lot longer than I'd intended and perhaps a bit too detailed so that's it for now.
I'm always up for original collaboration and remix ideas and enjoy exchanging and sharing thoughts, sounds, ideas, whatever with like-minded music afficionados so hopefully I'll meet a couple here...

Laterz,

H


CapricornOne's picture

You sound like me bro. To a f'n tee! 'cept i started on a yamaha psr-8 one of the first psr series out. Moved to midisoft to compose/arrange. Then a new psr 540. there were various softwares in between such as Tuareg and Tu2. also Making Waves. now I too am a Reason junkie.
Mod tracking huh? I though I was the only one here who knew about and/or used to create tracks. I had a tracker for the pc, but never did anything of real merit on it. Guess ya kinda need that amiga with a midi controller. Tracking was a long drawn out process as I remember it.
Is WaveLab all that and a bag of chips when it comes down to mastering? 'cuz I can do the damn thing in reason and touch up my holes in Audition. But if it's really the bees knees (I know what you're thinking... I'm bringing back old school 50's slang... Swell, ain't it?) I'll get that shit.
ALWAYS down for a collabo! Check out my brand of hip-hop on here. (just click my name in blue and it'll take you to my profile.) Seeing as we're using the exact same software ('cept for wavelab) a collabo should be pretty simple.
I'd love to say to all the heads here in ATL "I made this track with this cat from Amsterdam" You know what I mean be "head" right? Which leads me to a dumb question. Me and my buddy have been having an argument about the residents of the fine city of Amsterdam. I say ya'll treat weed like I treat beer. "Hey, lets go grab a pitcher man... It's Friday night we gotta do something!" he telling me it's all day everyday affair. I mean, I'm a head from hell so that would be me, but I don't think everyone out there is like me. Most aren't. I'm the one who's correct in this query, right? I'd love to throw it in his face. He ALWAYS thinks he's right and it's getting on my nerves.

We are a loving family here at MakeTunes so join us. We give ACTUAL feedback here. With all the musicians and producers on here, the knowledge base is outstanding. Any questions or problems will be addressed, and rather quickly too! Great to have you on here, hope to here more from ya!
PS... I'm a long writer as well, so I hope you get to the end of this without growing old like rip van winkle.

Be good... or just good at...
You keep it pimp... I'm a keep it gangata!

http://www.myspace.com/1andonlycapricornone

matt's picture

Hey welcome to maketunes heegs!

heegs's picture

Tnx for the welcomes and good shit to meet another digital music veteran ;-)
Ohh and trust me..if the weed really was an all-day everyday affair for all Dutchmen, we'd probably be the only 29th-world country or worse ;-)
We wouldn't just be broke all-day everyday and have no chance of ever producing anything more than the automagical bong-O-filler...we'd probably also forget to borrow some cash from the neighbours to feed 16-million simultaneous 2 o'clock munchies as well.
We'd be trailing lightyears behind the only country that has bi-weekly coupe d'etats and daily elections including public hangings of last night's winner just for the fun of it, if there even is one.
That's not the case though, a good puff of weed is nice to chill out and the habit sticks with a lot of us most of our lifes, but not every day allday, especially with the strength of our weed that'd be a sure way of making us all resemble our tulips and other vegetation from age 40 and up.

And on the mastering, I do all my recording in Audition with ReWire, brush up and clean the separate tracks and bring them into Wavelab for final stereo downmix because of maximizer and a few other great plugins and tools. I've been doing it this way since the first versions of CoolEdit and up to CoolEdit 2.x pro WaveLab was way ahead in final mastering tools for mixdown whereas CoolEdit was way ahead of Wavelab for cleaning and tweaking separate tracks before mixdown.
I honestly haven't taken time out yet to see if Audition would be able to do the same equally well without having to go through Wavelab as well which i'll check eventually but I've only recently upgraded to Audition from CoolEdit Pro 2.x

I'll be sure to check out your stuff, I'm in the process of putting a new website up with stuff on in a few weeks time, hadn't updated the old one for so long it was getting embarrasing, mostly due to working-hours-from-hell.
Also rebuilding parts of my home-studio FINALLY after moving house early last year so lot going on but all good, as soon as I get my shit together I'll do a couple of new tracks or remix a few old ones and I'll be sure to frequent this site listening to other peeps' stuff and hopefully giving some good feedback as well.

Laterz,

H

"I blow minds for a living..." (Jello Biafra, 1991)
...or at least try to (me, just now)

IngridTornado's picture

Welcome heegs, I look forward to hearing your stuff. I'm also a Reason phreak like you and cap. Personally I'm happy to do my final mastering on Reason, but then again I don't mind my songs being diamonds-in-the-rough!

Love, Ingrid

heegs's picture

Thanks ;-)

Trust me, if my music is anywhere near diamonds (in the rough or not), it's bound to be of the bloody variant I'm afraid. I'll upload something ASAP since describing music isn't my strongest point, working on a rough cut at the mo which should be finished in about a week or two. In Europe and Brazil they call it "schranz"..basically just a weird made-up German word for industrial-ish techno where anything goes as long as it's got rhythm.
It's probably more drunken-gorillas-in-the-mist-on-speed than diamonds-in-the-rough ;-P

Cheers,

H

"I blow minds for a living..." (Jello Biafra, 1991)
...or at least try to (me, just now)

CapricornOne's picture

Yeah! I get to throw it my d00d's face! HA! I was so right!

Do those plug-ins you talk about come standard with WaveLab or are they something I'm gonna hafta get separately. I'm thinking a final tweak on my shit would do it justice. I do all my pre-mastering in reason with the mastering suite mostly relying on the 8 band. whether it's compression or limiting or parallel is all up to what I have incorporated in my production. After that's done, I still feel most of my tracks lack that clear brightness of a professional track. Will wavelab be what I'm looking for is my main query.

And where can I get an automagical bong-O-filler? That sounds like a fantastic item... great to go along with my blunt-O-matic 9000! If only I had the get up and go to make shit like that for real. I've got the mechanical knowhow, just not the resources and initiative. I mean, who here wouldn't buy my Blunt-O-Matic 9000? It's got an optional splitter on the side in case wraps aren't your thing. Yeah I know... I've gone off the deep end. So be it. que sara sara.

It'll do what it do till it done
You keep it pimp... I'm a keep it gangata!

http://www.myspace.com/1andonlycapricornone

heegs's picture

Well...the sad truth is, the automagical bong-O-filler is getting rather scarce now that force-feeding midgets spacecake, dipping them in cognac and setting their hair on fire is banned (the usual EU regulations ruining everything..) but I can always get you in touch with an almost reliable midget pedlar if you want so you just let me know.

And the plugins are Steinberg VSTs that come with Wavelab with a few additional ones added later that I should now be able to use in Audition as well.
At least I hope since I haven't looked at any of Audition's VST hosting capabilities yet, just found out they exist to be honest, I mostly got Audition for the improved noise reduction filters, better workflow in general, better support of and integration with ASIO/rewire drivers and spectral view functionality...it'd be a nice bonus to be able to loose WaveLab but we'll see...

"I blow minds for a living..." (Jello Biafra, 1991)
...or at least try to (me, just now)

CapricornOne's picture

Oh man I needed a laugh like that! You crack me up d00d! Thank you for the info on WaveLab. I check it out... Fuck, if it don't suit me, DELETE! I just don't like the mastering in Audition. It's clunky at best and a pain in the ass to fine tune properly, IMHO.

It'll do what it do till it done
You keep it pimp... I'm a keep it gangata!

http://www.myspace.com/1andonlycapricornone

heegs's picture

Hehe...haven't received any hatemail yet so probably not a lot of midgets frequenting forum...either that or the envelope they sent it in was just too tiny to see.

I like the idea of not needing Wavelab anymore and bringing in it's VST plugins in Audition. There's a couple of other things on the Reason + Audition combi that I'm wondering about but I'll open another topic in a slightly more logical place,

Later,

H

"I blow minds for a living..." (Jello Biafra, 1991)
...or at least try to (me, just now)

coolboy's picture

Welcome Heegs, I've still got my Atari ST, haven't switched it on for around 20yrs though lol. I've probably forgotten how to use it, it's been so long! Used to love that computer, especially the games. I use an ST emulator these days on my PC. Looking forward to hearing your music bro.

Coolboy in the mix.

heegs's picture

Thanks for the welcome and again happily surprised by common oldskool computer and electronic music experiences roaming through the forum...good sign as far as I'm concerned (though some people might just call it Ultimate Nerdness)

Matter of factly...in terms of music I've just had a massive jamming session (about 30 hours worth..) over the weekend following a small oldskool/acid-tek party with a couple of big (well..over here at least ;-) names on the line-up from acid/oldskool/hardcore circles joining us just for the fun of it.
We ended up with some ff'ing brilliant raw material for a live-pa set using exclusively Reason 4, two MIDI controllers and loads of original sampled sounds including a few of the DJs and our own voices blurting afterparty-type largely incomprehensible sentences.
All mixed with our usual foray into "post-party acapella house": sounds like hiats, fx, breaks and bd's recorded separately and run through NN-19's and Redrums with as many effects thrown in as it takes to at least try and stop laughing at our own dire beatboxing attemps.
I've been working on material for a couple of weeks now and this got me a MASSIVE boost in material as well as a few of the best and longest laughs I've had in ages.
Nice to see big names that tend to do massive indoor parties at a couple of thousand an hour play a small-but-great local venue (ripping shit up by the way) and jamming, showing off some of their tricks and just having a blast, no attitudes or nothing.
Good shit, working on a first refinement of enough raw material to play and record a first 10 - 15 minutes liveset with some of the off-the-wall crossover experiments I've got lined up, mixing a few barely but still recognizable Ska, Dub and Hip-Hop samples with rough-as-fuck acid-tek and our rather unique style of balls-out-terror-breaks. The latter belonging in the "Veteran Zombie Percussionist On Crack, Acid and Meth, Looking For Alcohol To Take The Edges Off The Cocaine" category of DnB

Oh..and just to make sure I remain as long-winding and off-topic as usual...on the ST and games...
The original is catching dust in my parent's attick somewhere in my proud "Ye Olde Compputher Collectionne" Ofcourse accompanied by a few other marvels of yesteryear: an Archimedes, an Atari 800XL with a whopping 48kb RAM!! can you dig my double dig-it?
And yes...that was a really poor pun just in case you were wondering.
The aforementioned 1040STe still ranking highly in there as well, with a HUGE 10 MB SCSI harddrive..drive and bloody controller cost me an arm and a leg and I think they added up to more than the machine itself at the time I got the drive. Last but not least my trusty Amiga 2000 with the still fantastic Newtek Video Toaster and Lightwave...which is what got me hooked on CGI and 3D animation and rendering to add to my never ending burden of ADD-ish creativity explosions

Games at the time where the most addictive ever...though simpler and perhaps not as flashy as modern games, I probably spent most of my rainy grey days (so...adding up to just about everyday over here ;-) playing games on Amiga, Archie and both Atraris, ff'ing brilliant classics even today. They might look and sound slightly lame and simple compared to modern stuff, but nothing beats them in off-the-wall and most probably (hopefully) drug-induced inspired game ideas and variation.
In fact I just bought me a new gaming toy...guess I don't change that much over the years..great little and cheap emulation handheld, the GP2X...Korean PSP clone running Linux emulating just about any less-than-32-bit system you can think of as well as a full Linux desktop and open system without needing hacks or bootimages or whatever, so no need to homebrew and/or break your PSP. Plenty of dodgy images around with a few thousand (yes...really...scared me too ;-) Nintendo/Amiga/ST/put-your-favourite-here in a few Gigs worth of SD. I'm afraid to turn it on at the moment...it'll probably have me wake up after a game-induced hybernation coma sometime in April :-)

So that was my last off-topic sidestep for the moment, back to creating beats and pure terror-from-the-coldest-place -in-hell meets DnB breaks that'll scare the living daylights out of you (well..that's the idea anyway :-) )

Laterz,

H

"I blow minds for a living..." (Jello Biafra, 1991)
...or at least try to (me, just now)

matt's picture

Haha that was a great story - sounds like you all had fun with it! And yes, its very refreshing to encounter genuine "good people" without the *yawn* egos, involved in big name music industry/performance. Can't stand the arrogance of many of the others in the biz, so the more good folks the better!

coolboy's picture

He He He! Yeah the good old days, your post has taken me back a good few years and I can totally relate to alot of it. very amusing too lol! Cheers Heegs ;)

Oh and I agree about the addictiveness of the old classics and I still play them to this day too. Be it on my PC with emulators but they run just as good and smooth as the original machines, plus it's more convenient than having to get my Atari 520STE or megadrive (Genesis) out, so they stay stored away still in great nick. Thanks again for the great reply :)

Coolboy in the mix.

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