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Hello Guest - FL STUDIO VS. REASON!!!!
17 September, 2007 - 06:07 — david275
In our modern day where music is produced mainly by digital means, which of these two production studios is better?... and for what kind of music?
Propellerhead Reason is a virtual studio consisting of emulated racks and synthesizers and such. It is widely used, as is FL Studio. Which is better and for what style of music?
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Users of both will swear by their software, I think the reality is that the best software all things being equal is the one you use the best.
I learned on FL Studio so when I tried Reason the interface seemed horrendous and incomprehensible to me. Equally, some Reason users find FL's interface to be wildly counter-intuitive.
As to which is more wildly used, it's an interesting popularity contest but not much more than that. It's the sound of the track that matters, as Ian Van Dahl puts it:
Everybody is laughing with us because they say you need a ProTools system, but we disagree. Sequencing is horrible on Protools!
So that leaves us with Logic and Cubase SX2, and they are the same but one is Mac and one is PC, but what's the difference? Software-wise, yes, you can buy plug-ins for your Mac, there are two hundred plug-ins, but for your PC there are four hundred and fifty, so we made that choice.
So we mix everything and then we put it on a ProTools system and have a mix engineer do their thing, so at the end it stays the same. My first records were made on an Atari 1040, and I still made the top ten with it, so nobody really cares what software you use as long as the song is good.
Also if you like the software you're using, your time will be much better spent becoming a master at it, than learning to use three other sequencers to because you think they might be better.
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That's real! I just wanted to know because alot of people argue that Cubase is better the Logic, and that Reason is better than FL Studio. What you said is how I actually feel. I had to know from another persons perspective. Thanks.
No worries dude, I trawled through a number of forums looking for the answer too until I arrived at this one.
I think many FL users wonder this because they don't understand why their sequencer get's bagged so much!
The answer is that one, it's newer onto the scene than the other mainstays. Two, it's cheaper and easier to use than other ones so a lot of novices use it and as you'd expect create very simple tracks with it.
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Some good points there.
I think even some things such as the name and "company image" can also influence peoples impression of various software. Especially those who haven't used it.
For example,
PRO Tools (Professional Tools - big industry names associated with it)
vs
Fruity Loops (old name I know, but sounds like a cheesy shareware package - presumably that was the reason for the name change to FL Studio)
YOU GOT IT MATT. I HAD PRO GEAR AND HEARD OF FRUITY LOOPS 3 AND SHRUGGED IT OFF AS SOME CUTESY GAME TYPE THING ON THE PC A FEW YEARS AGO. BUT I ALLWAYS KNEW PROTOOLS WAS THE HEAVY WEIGHT WORKHORSE THE PROS ROCK...
I like FL studio cause basically its easier, and let's you use the key-board as piano keys!! How Kool is That?!?!?....Reason Hands down has better quality(when it comes to punch & "crispiness"), Plus the Fx is clear & clean. FL tends to LAG in latency compared to reason but.............FL Studio is Magic because you can just drag sounds to your sequencer, chop-it-up, hits them notes, And record!!!!!! All on the same sequencer, however in Reason one would need to open up "Red-Drum", then independently add sounds(file style)....Anway...
FL STUDIO 4 ME!!!!!!
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The added flexability of being able to load VSTi's into Flstudio seems like a pretty big advantage also.
yea, Its an amazing program...but Reason comes built with INCREDIBLE sounds, very clear. Buffer never cracks or pops!! if only they incorporated both programs,woWWW it would have to be considered the best music making software in the world(if it were true)
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I never had a program crack or pop until I got Cubase... Reason, Garageband, and Protools have never done that to me.
I also disagree about the Protools sequencer sucking. In my experience the sequencer in Protools can seemlessly handle anything you throw at it.
As for the original question, I'm a Reason user... BUT if it's either Reason or FL for all your production needs, I'd go with FL because you can record live audio in it. I feel obligated to mention that Reason, however, has much better compatability than FL... especially considering that you can't run FL on a Mac unless its running Windows!
For that same reason, I'd also choose Protools over FL. Protools is compatable on mac or pc and therefore is more universal.
Master- I thought you could run Reason in FL as Reason Rewire, you can't?
woW probably, But I didnt wait long enough to find out cause......I deleted Reason before I really put it to work, it could have been the size of the program and the lack of space I had left on my hard-drive that presueded me to get rid of it. But Im realizing NOW that FL can incorporate numerous programs as "slaves"(FUCK why coudn't I realize this sooner!!!!! :(
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I know what you mean... Sometimes you gotta clean house on a hard drive to keep things working clean. Oh well right?
i personnaly like fl studio and reason they both have great things,there are some sounds that fl studio doesnt have and there are some who reason doesnt have like acoustic sounds i think they are better in reason but in fl studio the synths are da bomb u just have to know what you want and make the best what you can do
yea personally, i use fl studio for all the major stuff, and i rewire reason into fl to get the malstrom and the dr. rex...
the mixing board is so much better in fl, first of all because the meters are faster & more responsive than in reason, and fl has better effects... and that one little window called "channel settings" has more knobs just on that than anything in reason..
but so far, my favorite thing(things actually) about fl is the time stretch feature, because basically i can throw an off tempo loop in the mix and eventually make it sound right... my other favorite thing is the fine tempo offset in the channel settings window... i use that to get my custom grooves going on, better than that of reason, where the shuffle is basically the only groove... most of my beats land after the downbeat because of this...
but yea, fl is the ish!! reason is an accessory now!!
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I don't wanna go off the main studios of this thread, but what about ableton people? Not only does it handle loops really well with all its timestretching, but its pretty good in routing channels too. Not to mention that the pallet view is awesome for building up sound. Honestly i've had my reason, fl and cubase times, but this ableton is actually "fun" and almost an instrument. Oh yeah, midi control is absolutely beautiful.
Yo TooGood, if you're using Reason 4.0 then it's got a serious regroove mixer that you can customize fully.
I haven't messed with Ableton yet, but all the functionality you're talking about is because it's geared towards being a "live" application. That's why it can seem like an instrument... It's for the stage.
I've used vst production software... But I got tired of getting all these vsts but only using one or two sounds in each. With reason I use TONS of sounds from ONE refill... because I can tweak the sounds to my liking much more fluidly and easily than in any of the vsts I used to use. As for the fx in FL being better... thats not true, you just haven't figured out how to set up and chain together fx in the combinator.
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I'M A FL USER & WHEN I TRIED TO USE REASON, I JUST COULDN'T GET IT!!! I WILL AGREE, THOUGH, REASON HAS MAD SOUNDS, BUT I'VE GOT SO USED TO FL, THAT I DON'T THINK I WANNA USE ANOTHER SOFTWARE!!! PEEP ME OUT WHEN YOU GET A MINUTE.....PEACE!!!
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FL or Reason??? For best results, Amittai says use them at the same time!!!!!!! That's what Reason's for - it plugs into your DAW. Integration is beautiful.
I have to agree with Amittai. Fruity will probably be easier to get into. It is cheaper and more intuitive. Reason is very straightforward though and will add a great arsenal of instruments to your setup. It will also run about a billion times more stable on your setup than most VSTs out there when you want to add instruments to your Fruity mixes. It will run in conjunction with Fruity as a rewire slave so what the hell...use both.
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I've always used reason. It does take awhile to get used to. I was pretty confused about what to do with it when I first used it but now I can work it like a pro. The good thing about reason is customization. If you think of a sound you want on the track but dont have it you can always make it if you know all the ins and outs of the program.
Heres one trick for reason users on how to get filtered delays (I talk about thoses alot dont I) If you want to get a filtered delay on a sound open a splitter route the nnxt or whatever it is into the splitter side, route one set of outputs to the mixer and the next one to the a digital delay with and eq rack with your desired eq then to the mixer.
and like almighty pattern said Ableton live is real good for making beats to and the customization is endless with it as well. People just look past it but it really is alot better just off its organization skills than all the other programs I tried.
man im still stuck on Reason 2 lol but got fl studio7 -------------------------------------------------------------------------
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i just wanted to add that FL vs Reason is probably one of the longest debates ever (along with Cubase vs Protools)...i've been with Reason since it came out and it was love at first sight ;p , but I've also tried every version of Fruityloops that's been released as well, hoping to find a "reason" why so many people prefer the latter. In the end, I stuck with Reason (especially since version 4 came with the Regroove!) because it's familiar to me already, and even though I found FL confusing, it only reiterates the amazing fact that people have their own preferences. FL is a great program, but it's just not for me...but I'm still going to try out its future releases just for the fun of it. I recently started toying with Ableton as well, and as people have previously stated, it's a great tool to use for live performances (I usually use it as a scratchpad though); I just wish the interface was more like Adobe Audition (which i constantly depend on and use to edit samples ever since it was Cool Edit!) where you can detach the windows so that it's dual monitor friendly.In the end, i guess my two cents into this whole matter is not to worry too much about what people have to say about the programs (although it is VERY helpful)...i suggest to just try it and see if it works for you :)
as for me, i'm going back to the MPC...
I'll tell you, I started out on fruity loops and it was more than enough for me for years. Then I came upon reason for the first time. Once I got over the much steeper learning curve I was very happy with it, and almost stopped using fruity loops entirely, except for the occasional rough sketch that I just wanted to get down quickly. I've now mostly moved to ableton with an occasional reason rewire, mostly using native instrument plugins. All of them get the job done, it just depends on what you want to do.
I will say this about fruity loops... I miss its sequencing playlist a lot. Life was so much easier when all I had to do was make a part and then paint blocks in a row, but it was a total memory hog.
Reason ran much smoother, but won't allow you to use third party plug-ins... and half the fun of digital music is playing with new toys, but the built in sounds were so much better than fruity loops... as was the real instrument rack look and feel.
Its all preference really. Reason can do more out of the box, but fruity loops can be made into a pretty powerful beast.