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home studio for producing and recording hip hop music

how do I set up just a basic pro home recording for just a few money but a good home studio, for hip hop production?


heegs's picture

Well...at it's simplest, get the highest-spec PC you can afford with plenty or RAM and a decent non-consumer soundcard with the best possible active monitors you can afford.

- soundcard should provide at least 4 x mono out and if you want to record anything non-digital 2 x or 4 x mono in. Make sure you get at least 24-bit/96khz A/D conversion (M-Audio Delta44, E-MU 0404)
- for hip hop (and anything with a fat bassline) get active monitors that respond to the lowest frequency you can afford, you're better of getting second hand KRK or Mackey monitors through e-bay or something, than buying useless El Cheapos
- don't try and save money by getting the cheapest possible cables, connectors, etc. Get good medium- to high-end quality cables to connect your soundcard with speakers, mics, whatever.
- do a lot of googling for and reading of forums like this on audio software, pick up some music mags, do your research and pick whatever software you think will suite you best, get it, install it and stick with it. Learning curve might be steep depending on previous experience with audio, sampling, looping etc. but whichever sw you pick, it's gonna take a while to get results and switching sw because someone says x y or z is easier to use will get you nowhere.

This set-up will basically have you manipulating and recording sounds on your PC using a keyboard and mouse which is a pain but not impossible and provided you got decent components will theoretically let you master CD quality tracks. If you can afford it, get at least one good MIDI-controller with the best spread of faders/rotaries/keys/etc. matching the software instruments you use and make your life a whole lot easier.
And yes, that's all pretty generic and vague, but so was the question ;-)

Laterz,

H

"I blow minds for a living..." (Jello Biafra, 1991)
...or at least try to (me, just now)

CapricornOne's picture

You need four main things. Mic, mixer, audio interface, computer. First and foremost, the mic is the main thing. If you get a shitty mic, it won't matter if you have a $1,000,000 set up it'll sound like shit. So do your research and do it well. I find Shure mics seem to be good. I've also used a behringer C1 condenser mic. The one I'm probably gonna get is the MXL 990 The site that link takes you to will be a great jumping off point for you. Next is your mixer and audio interface. Now there are audio interfaces with mic inputs and they're great... if you have money to spend, cuz the cheap ones SUCK! If you go for an all in one, you better have the $$$ to get an MBox and some pro tools otherwise the AI you buy for $50 - $100 will disappoint you. My suggestion is to buy a small line mixer. If you're only doing hip hop and are only gonna be using one mic, the mixer will run you $50- $60. I suggest a Tapco mix.50 Tapco is the original Makie mixers from the 70's reintroduced into the market and revamped to compete with today standards... A Behringer Xenyx 502 or 802 will do the trick, but I've used 'em and if you don't keep it dust free and clean... It'll stop working... not dead, but it won't work 'till you clean it. Also they are heat susceptible and there for you must keep 'em cool or they will fry! Tapco also makes a USB audio interface with mic inputs with the 48v phantom, they are one of the best mid level USB AI around. If you do decide to go the route of an all in one interface. This is the cheapest I'd go. They're $150 plus S&H. But if you decide to use a mixer like I've suggested (Using a mixer will allow you to adjust levels without having to open up a virtual mixing board software on you computer. When it comes to mixing, hardware is always better) then the interface for you might just be the Behringer UCA-202 It doesn't provide the highest quality recording, but I've used this one with great success. Just download a better driver for it and it'll work with Audition, Cubase, any recording software for that matter. Which brings me to the next thing... your computer. The faster the better. more memory equals NO lag time or latency as its called in the industry. I suggest a 3.0Ghz processor or better. I run 3.33ghz celeron D and it does the damn thing. Dual core 2.2ghz or faster is a whole lot better. AT LEAST... and i repeat... AT LEAST 1GB of memory. That's what I have and I'm about to double it 'cuz things are starting to bog down little by little now. And recording sucks up your drive space, so make sure you have plenty of that. As for software, ProTools is the best... if you have compatible hardware. If you don't have protools hardware then you're wasting your money on it. Audition 3.0 will record just as well. ProTools may have more (and possibly better) FX and plug-ins, but without an MBox or protools FX mixer, you'll never be able to take full advantage of them. I run audition. I LOVE it! but software is all up to the user... whatever you feel more comfortable using... do so. Cubase works just fine... as well as a bunch of other recording softwares. So in summery. Get a good mic. The ones I suggested or do research of your own, ask around the site... just make sure it's a good mic! Mixer and Audio Interface. If you have $150 or better to spend... then an all-in-one might be right for you. I still prefer a hardware mixer for more precise control. And make sure you have a fast computer. Hell if you have a mac.. you're in like flint! But they're expensive and a pc works just as well as long as you have good specs and don't start loading it up with bullshit. If it's for recording, then only use it for recording!!! If you have any questions, just ask away!

Be good... or just good at it...
You keep it pimp... I'm a keep it gangata!

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CapricornOne's picture

oh... total on equip and cables (excluding your computer) is around $200 and heegs is right. Get good cables... the difference in price between good and shitty is only like 30 bucks total. Example. cheap 6' xlr mic cable 12-15 bucks. good one 15-20. Cheap 6' RCA cables 5 bucks good ones 15-18. Cheap 6' unbal instrument cables 10 bucks good ones around 15-20. When i say good i don't mean the best just better than the rest. I didn't even address monitors... that's a whole different ball game... and i don't have or use 'em. I prefer excellent headphones. Sennheiser makes some of the best and they range in price from $30 - $500 and up. Koss PRO4AAT's are also very good.

It'll do what it do till it done
You keep it pimp... I'm a keep it gangata!

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Amittai's picture

I used to buy Monster Cables exclusively because they were supposed to be the best cable and blah blah blah... But, most of those really expensive brands of "boutique" cables actually color your sound, but you don't want the cable to change the sound, you want it to deliver the sound accurately (especially for your speaker inputs). Ironically, the cheapest cables tend to have the most honest and accurate sound. "Boutique" cables essentially EQ your signal, a boost in the low-mid to mid range and also a boost up high that adds brightness. This is fine, yeah, brightness is good, but when you play your stuff anywhere other than your studio you're going to wonder what happened to your mid-range and your brightness... because they may be using normal cables.

3 things:

1) if you're going to get some $60 cable, it better have a lifetime warranty with free, instant replacements for life (Monster Cables all have this, you can bring any Monster Cable to the store and they will replace it for free, no questions asked)

2) if you're going to take my advice and get the cheaper, more accurate cables, the important distinction between cables is balanced or unbalanced. Whatever hardware you get, find out if the inputs/outputs are balanced or not and buy the appropriate type of cable. That'll give you as good an outcome for $10 instead of $60 for a single cable.

3) don't get "gold-tip" or any of that foolishness. The sound signal is electromagnetic and gold doesn't mesh well. COPPER (yeah, the cheap stuff) is the best conductor out there and the most common and less expensive. Check the periodic table of elements. Gold markets well, but it's not better than copper unless you're talking about jewelry.

heegs's picture

Don't know about the Monster Cables, but I really don't agree with the cheapest being most honest and accurate and least of all most durable. Especially in a home studio with the smallest amount of kit, you'll be plugging and unplugging them a lot and cheap cables will very quickly start crackling and giving noise in the background, while good cables with solid connectors can easily take a couple thousand times of being plugged and unplugged without influencing sound quality.
As you say, gold tip and ridiculously overpriced cables in general are a waste of money, at least in a home studio. Gold tips have their use in other situations though, where there's other factors involved than just conductivity..for instance things like cross-talk in high-density rack configs where you don't want connectors to be too sensitive too their neighbour's signal.
But at home, get well assembled cables that don't even have to be big brand names, as long as they list their cable and connector component brands and types or the guy at the store can tell you what they are. In general you shouldn't be paying more than about $25 - $30 per cable (depending on length ofcourse, but for an average 3 meters/9 feet) but also not a whole lot less.

"I blow minds for a living..." (Jello Biafra, 1991)
...or at least try to (me, just now)

heegs's picture

Oh, and really do try and get decent active monitors, mastering especially with lots of bass as well as treble on a head-phone is virtually impossible, even the best Sennheisers will make things sounds very different due to the distance to your eardrums compared to a stereo. Fine for recording, editing and pre-listening, but no good for a mixdown.

"I blow minds for a living..." (Jello Biafra, 1991)
...or at least try to (me, just now)

Amittai's picture

I'm still trying to get a grip on my bass management in the mix... not easy to do, and impossible with headphones because lower frequencies have a very long wavelength, up to 18 feet, and if the speaker is right up against your ear those frequencies will not develop enough for you to hear them correctly.

Headphones are good for a reference, just to see how it sounds in a headset because you should test it with many different common types of speakers (headphones, earbuds, car stereos...), but, as heegs just said, they are no good for a mixdown!!

heegs's picture

Yep, for mastering bass a headphone is useless and even with good monitors it's not exactly a walk in the park usually. What are you using for final mixdown/mastering stage..?
Personally I use Reason mostly for my live recording (though this dilemma crops up in most production software I use) and I'm trying to decide if it's wise to (pre-)master and mixdown in Reason with only final mastering externally or record multi-track out ReWired and do both mixdown and mastering externally.
I can hear the differences between a mirrored set-up of a tweaked Reason MX CLass combi and a Wavelab config resembling those settings as much as I can, but at a certain point of listening to it over and over and staring at the waveforms, I don't even know which one I tink sounds better anymore...probably time to give it a rest ;-)

H

"I blow minds for a living..." (Jello Biafra, 1991)
...or at least try to (me, just now)

A-Z Production's picture

yo there are many things that i have learned here,listen to what i got,i have takin the cheapest and best products for litle home studio,that's what the seller said,and i am satisfated,a mic-STC-3D(it cost me 250 euros),
i have a simple keyboard(300 euros....yeah ok it's a lil to much for a simple keyboard)i'll buy me a yamaha motif XS7 soon,i have a pc,with 2,2 ghz ddr ram memory but i still have problems using fl studio when i add fx it blocks,i think it's due to the many programs that i have in it,i have an interface soundcard UA-25(260 euros),a don't have a mixer yet but i'll buy one soon,so if you wanna do it professionnaly u need to spend some money not to much but i have spent 1000 euros just for a mic,interface,keyboard and 2 Gb of ddr ram memoryyeah cables..and think good before you buy things,don't go to fast into buying,peace man

Amittai's picture

Yo Heegs. I don't mess with mastering much, I'm still trying to get my mixing techniques down as far as EQ, compression, reverbs, and levels and such... BUT, I hear what you're saying. When you record the tracks to a different software, what software are you using instead of Reason? If you have access to Logic, I'd recommend using it to mix and master. It comes with a full package of professional plug-ins and analyzers. If you haven't used an EQ with the assistance of a frequency analyzer then you're missing out. There is a plug-in package called Paz that works with protools and they make all types of metering and analyzer plug-ins... Very charming. I bet they work as VSTs too. You can put an alalyzer on the mix from Reason and another on the mix from your other software and then you'll actually see the difference as it plays back, not just hear it. If there's a big dip around a certain frequency you can bring it up on the EQ and watch how it changes the analyzer's visual representations in real-time. It's extremely helpful as opposed to learning to EQ just by ear.

A-Z Production's picture

oh yeah and also monitoring are also very important to make good quality music,i have bought HS50 M(350 euro 2 unites)

A-Z Production's picture

i forgot to mention the mark,they are Yamaha HS50 M

heegs's picture

What I used to do was record separate Reason tracks in Wavelab 5 and using tools similar to the ones you describe in Logic do the downmix and mastering from there. Painstaking process since Wavelab 5 doesn't function as a ReWire host, so I had to run multiple passes recording different tracks before downmixing or downmix in Reason and only record and master the main 2 L/R tracks from Reason in Wavelab.
I finally upgraded my CoolEdit Pro to Audition though, which has excellent ReWire support now, and multitrack recording as well as editing is at least as good as it already was in CoolEdit, so I'm trying to decide between different possible workflows for the best result:

- pre-master and downmix in Reason, record main L/R through ReWire into Audition, edit/clean/scrub whatever in Audition and master in Wavelab
- do the same but try and use Audition's own mastering tools instead of having to go out through Wavelab...they're not as good as the ones in Wavelab, so I doubt I'll end up doing that
- do the same again, but since Audition also has VST support, see if I can use the mastering tools I use in Wavelab (which are VSTs as well) equally well in Audition without having to export to Wavelab itself
- record separate tracks from Reason without downmixing into Audition through ReWire-channels for each of my individual L/R tracks (usually about 8 or 9 L/R pairs coming from different combinators), downmix and clean-up/analyse in Audition and then again the choice of VST's in Audition or going through Wavelab.

So..I'm trying to both see as well as hear the differences between these workflows using two diverse but well-mixed balanced tracks to try and find the one that gives the best results.
Hopefully the last option using my Wavelab VSTs inside Audition so I just have to deal with two software packages. Problem is all of these methods give different results, that all sound different but not necessarily better or worse and they're pretty similar in spectral view and waveform as well, so it's tough to decide and I don't feel like trying to perfect three or four different workflows for different types of tracks or sounds.
Comparing these side-by-side in great detail is a lot of work and a bloody nuisance at times so I'm spreading this out over a few weeks, since I'd far rather spent my free time making music than comparing mastering suites.
Then again, it's turning out to be a very good way of discovering a lot about mastering subtleties I never even knew existed, so it's all for a good cause in the end...probably by the time I'm old and grey I'll finally discover they're all the same and I've wasted a lifetime chasing mastering-ghosts :-P

Later,

H

"I blow minds for a living..." (Jello Biafra, 1991)
...or at least try to (me, just now)

Soundwakestudios's picture

http://www.tweakheadz.com/rigs.htm

You may find this helpful, even if you know what you're doing already, simply because it lets you know what others are doing. 21 different recording rigs for different styles, purposes and budgets. Very nice.

THEFLOWASSASSIN's picture

savanhu
well i would recommend a Rode NTA1 mic and an edirol FA101 soundcard as i use those they do give u good quality for your home recording studio in hip hop.I use cubase sx3 which brings out better qaulity than mixcraft i used to use before.I wouldnt knoe about mixing and mastering on vocals as am still learning about it so if they is anyone out the who can help on mixing and mastering hip hop vocals please help.This where i got an idea before i bought y rig
http://www.tweakheadz.com/rigs3.htm try it out trust me

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