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Ok i have no mac experience at all so i wanted to know the advantages and disadvantages of the two systems. Any input would be appreciated.
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I use a pc due to the fact that macs are out of my price range , but my buddy's got one. Macs are just faster when it comes to all factions of media production. The provide more raw power and better integration of audio/video hardware. Simply put, for production, a mac is the way to go if you've got the scratch to spend on one.
It'll do what it do till it done
You keep it pimp... I'm a keep it gangata!
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thanks for educating an old man :)
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I bought a Mac 4 years ago and I will probably buy another one soon. For whatever it's worth PCs CAN be made to work just as well as Macs. If you are up for doing the research, installing the right hardware (ie: Chips, Motherboards, etc) and doing a few tweaks and are good at troubleshooting along the way then your PC will be fine for music making. The nice thing about Macs is that they work for multimedia apps right out of the box....There is no need to do much else. I consider myself a musician, not a computer programmer: anything that detracts from the actual music making process is well....not being a musician. Also Macs seem to run pretty solid. If I am working on music, and something goes wrong, and I crash the program it's usually something I did and not the computer being squirrelly.
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Pc. I never really liked the way macs are setup. Most new pcs will work fine for what you need and will also work with multimedia apps right out of the box. I've never had any problems with stuff like that plus you will usually save about $200 going the pc route. The only thing is macs dont get viruses but they have theyre own problems like freezing and random crashes. If you setup a pc with the right programs it wont get viruses, they can also freeze and randomly crash but its nowhere near as likely unless you have failing hardware.
the only thing i can say is that alot of vst's and plug-ins wont work with macs....though most of them that dont work with macs aren't worth having
I've never touched a Mac in my life except once. As I was looking at the screen I stopped: I didn't know how to run it! PCs are way easier to run and use, Macs are too complicated. I don't think that Macs are faster than PC just for being Macs, if you have a high RAM and a multiple core CPU, then you have a good computer.
Most of the software developers make software for Windows, but don't make Mac versions, so it's sometimes hard to find the software you want for your Mac. It's true that Macs don't have many virus issues, but if you get proper protection for your PC, it shouldn't either. And if a virus crashes your PC you can always format it (it's very easy to format PCs), but keep in mind to always put all of your important files on one hard disk and leave the other for the system files, since when you format, all of the files on the disk where the system files are get deleted. So I recommend Windows.
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You live with a heartbeat, I live with a bass beat. The E-DJ cHecZar.
WHAT?! Ok... i'm Mr. PC... not that dumpy douche bag with all the problems on TV but a PC guy since the days of the ol' IBM PC/XT 8086. It took me 5 min to figure out the OS on a mac. Everything is at the bottom. scroll the mouse over it and bam theres all your shortcuts. and comparatively, if you have a PC with the same specs as a mac, the mac will run twice as fast cuz windows SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! especially Vista. If you're a gamer then just walk on by that mac, but if you do music or film or anything along those lines. Then save up and buy one. There is a Mac counterpart to every piece of Windows software. And they usually do a better job. As for proper windows protection, NOD32 seems to do the job along with like IDK maybe 5, yes, 5 different adware/spyware removers. google adware remover for mac. yeah like nothing. everything sez that spyware on a mac is relatively harmless or not anywhere near what it is for PCs. I don't have a problem with viruses and other malware on my PCs, but that's cuz I know how to use command line removers, edit registry files and use hijackthis... 9 out of 10 PCs that come into my shop have a moderate to severe malware problem... even if that wasn't what made them bring it in. Guess how many macs have come in to my shop? (and yea i'll work on 'em) Only one and that was to replace the LCD display which he had damaged himself. Mac OS X Leopard is so very nice and I'm working on putting it on a PC... It CAN be done, but you just need the right hardware (MoBo chipset processor...)
It'll do what it do till it done
You keep it pimp... I'm a keep it gangata!
http://www.myspace.com/1andonlycapricornone
Take it easy man! WOW! Is Mac your baby or something?!!! Don't take it too seriously! Damn man, you get angry pretty fast! I already said that i have no experience in Macs! And then come on, windows don't suck that bad! well yeah Vista sucks pretty hard, but XP doesnt. I use XP, NOD32 and ad-aware. even if you majored in computer science or something like that, it does not make everybody else stupid! now about the PCs with problems you fix, their users dont know how to take care of them! but here's a question: if Mac is so much better than windows, why do most people have windows? and when you reply, remember to not take anything as personal.
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You live with a heartbeat, I live with a bass beat. The E-DJ cHecZar.
From a more technical OS point of view, yes..OSX is a better OS than windows, mostly due to having it's roots in a different more stable type of OS (FreeBSD) which is Unix-based and (like Linux) really is far more stable than Windows, as well as better performing and deals with upgrades far better then MS does.
Due to my work I use all three (Windows, Linux, OSX) and Windows really is the l00zer in terms of stability, resource use and performance. It CAN be made to work, but if you've got high-performance (meaning usually low-level design) software, chances are it won't survive a service pack upgrade or one of the way-too-many intermediate updates.
When Mac's where still PowerPC based, you'd have to choose beteen Mac or Windows, now Mac have moved to Intel you can install both on a Mac (and even all three if you want Linux as well) or use virtualization to run Windows from OSX natively, no emulation like it used to be and due to the horsepower in most modern computers it'll perform equally well.
So...if you want choice, can afford it (Macs ARE more expensive than normal PCs but also last longer in terms of performance before having to get a new one) and would like a stable main OS (OSX) while being able to use any other (Windows, Linux) as well, get a Mac.
"I blow minds for a living..." (Jello Biafra, 1991)
...or at least try to (me, just now)
Aha.... well you all are professionals and I'm 15, so take it easy on me. A question to Heegs, what do you mean by stable?
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You live with a heartbeat, I live with a bass beat. The E-DJ cHecZar.
Stable as in stability, so basically solid: no strange things happening after received updates, no full machine lock-ups, no unwanted blue-screens, stuff like that.
"I blow minds for a living..." (Jello Biafra, 1991)
...or at least try to (me, just now)
oops my tone came out totally wrong on that... I sounded like a dick pretty much. my bad. I've been agitated by my boss all day and I guess it showed up in my typing... hmm that's weird, cool and not cool all at once. I shouldn't type annoyed huh? again my bad. You're totally cool in my book d00d!!
It'll do what it do till it done
You keep it pimp... I'm a keep it gangata!
http://www.myspace.com/1andonlycapricornone
lol... For some reason all the schools I went to had macs.. So I always ended up having to use them...
It's ok bro. it happens to everyone...
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You live with a heartbeat, I live with a bass beat. The E-DJ cHecZar.
Hmm, I'm thinking about investing in a Macbook pro or Mac Pro, I just don't know what to get in the Mac Pro if I ever do get around to buying one. The new 8 core is now out, but if the 2x Intel Quad Core Xeon is good enough for what I want to do, i'm more than happy. Tell me what you guys think :)
I JUST bought the MacBook Pro....I am guessing that the Quad Xeon is maybe cheaper.....I am a pretty hardcore Mac user (I still have a PC desktop that I use for all kinds of stuff as well....tho')....It depends on what you want to use....If you are a diehard Fruity user then there is no point in spending that kind of money.....If you want to go for a REALLY nice recording platform that is not Pro Tools (like Logic or DP) then maybe think about getting a Mac....you can still use FL if you partition the MacBook's hard drive to run Windows and you can take your mixes and do final tweaks in Logic Pro ( I read a review that actually compared Logic Pro with the Apogee Ensemble to a Pro Tools TDM rig and they were just as good for what amounted to something like 6000 dollars less).
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Yea, I mean, Fruity Loops is really good. and it's as good as any sequencer. Deadmua5 uses and Toby Emerson, which i have to say those guys make awesome music. I have a pc which i recently upgraded the video card to a gts8800 (i think it is) and a m-audio sound card, i have a duo core intel proc, 2.4ghz, 400 memory and 2gigs of ram, now i'd think that's enough to run fruity loops flawlessly with the buffer length low. but im experiecing problems with that, so that's why im thinking about investing in a Mac Pro plus Logic so i can get the performance I want.
AHHHHHhahahahahha, the age old question.
Capricorn, I understand your passion. This question invokes the emotion of righteous authority when it comes to audio geeks. There are about three other forum threads here that pose the same question and I usually take it way too seriously... I was raised on Windows my whole life and I didn't like Mac because I didn't get the way it operated. But I never had a single flawless session working on a song with a PC, even at my audio school. With the Mac I get lost in the music I create and never have to deal with anything going wrong with the computer. That's why I say Mac is the best choice for a person interested in AUDIO engineering or SONG writing. If you enjoy things like unscrewing your CPU to troubleshoot and make repairs and then screwing it back together in the middle of perfecting your lead synth sound, then yeah... You'll love a PC. With the Mac, I forget that the computer is even doing anything at all... Its as simple as a man working on a song. No more.
I actually have a Powerbook G4 12" from 2004. I'm recording tracks like 8 mics at a time, running multiple reverb buses, compressors, eqs... with 30+ tracks in a session, and my processor is only a 1.33GHz with 1GB of ram. I run Pro Tools, Logic Pro, Cubase, Reason, Melodyne, and various plug-ins and it all works fine. My Mac is four years old with inferior specs, and it does all that just like in 2004.
You people have super computers and you keep complaining about it! You've heard my music, it's all done with FL Studio on an Acer laptop with the following specs:
-Intel pentium dual-core processor (1.6 Ghz, 533 Mhz FSB, 1 MB L2 Cache)
-Intel graphics media accelerator 950
-80 GB HDD
-512 MB of RAM
You all have 2 GB of RAM, plenty of hard disk and you all keep complaining! Come on people, FL Studio runs on a low spec computer, and it's windows also, so according to you it's rock bottom but I still use it to make my music.
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You live with a heartbeat, I live with a bass beat. The E-DJ Caesar
True and same here (sort of)...I have a rather big rig in my home-studio but I tend to take my music places, recording/playing live/etc. Current mobile workhorse is a 3-year old PowerBook G4 1.5 Ghz with 1.2 GB of RAM and it has no problems (sofar...knock on wood ;-) at all with anything I throw at it using Reason 4 and Audition.
As long as you've got a good soundcard (using an external ESI USB for the PowerBook at the mo) that offloads the CPU is much as possible and think about how you build up your tracks it's fine. That said, I will be getting me a MacBook Pro next year, 4 years is a nice age for a laptop to retire and enjoy it's old age in my girlfriend's slightly less demanding hands..
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"I blow minds for a living..." (Jello Biafra, 1991)
...or at least try to (me, just now)
ME? Celeron D 3.33Ghz and 1GB ram... I can run Audition 3.0 and Reason 4.0, running multiple Combinators, simultaneously while downloading music and movies as well. Mine never bogs down at all! You need higher specs once you start integrating your studio hardware... ProTools and such. I personally just want better specs for the simple reason that I'm a naturally impatient person and I hate waiting for files to transfer, movies to finish encoding to DVD, etc... I do, however, have almost 1TB of drive space, with a little under 40GB free... I'm putting my pennies aside for an internal 1TB seagate HDD. By the time i have enough, they should be about 120 bucks.
Also, Brianmed... If you're experiencing problems with a system with those specs, it's most likely a problem with windows. As a computer tech, I see this a lot. I watch my piddly system speeding past and out maneuvering dual cores with twice the ram. (such as your system) I guarantee its windows because bill gates likes to piss in everyone's cheerios from time to time. If you have vista, by the way, that's your problem right there. Downgrade to XP. Also check out this custom version of windows xp called LastXP that's what I'm running on my home pc (The lab as i call it) my Laptop and my two systems at work, and they're all moving almost as fast as a Mac with the same specs. Windows... just.... sucks!! It always has... kinda. I have links to D/L LastXP, but probably can't post 'em here. Get at me through my profile on this site. I'll throw you the links. Also installing LastXP is a breeze! It automatically installs all your drivers for you. (Only had to manually install my wireless adapter card for my laptop and my home desktop) It also gives you a list of programs you would like to install with windows, then installs them silently in the background.
Be good... or just good at it
You keep it pimp... I'm a keep it gangata!
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Funny heegs, you have the same setup I had before I JUST bought (like on Saturday) a MacBook Pro...I use Reason and Ableton Live and they run pretty solid...if something happpens that shuts down Ableton, it is usually the result of my using some weird plug like some of the Pluggos or a small third party. Though I have to agree, if all you are running is Reason or Fruity then maybe sticking with a PC is A-OK. It only gets complicated when you think about going to a slightly more complicated platform like ProTools or Cubase (or even Sonar) where you have to be really savvy about PCs and how to get one to run stable. My PC runs Acid Pro ok (I still occasionally like to throw some ideas together fast) but I really just use it for Sound Forge. I am thinking about partitioning my HD and setting up a Windows OS to run with my Mac OS but it really isn't too hard to run files between the two with a CDRW so I see no point in making things any more complicated than they have to be. By the way....almost any "professional" audio or video studio run Macs (sure, some studios will run Nuendo on a PC but they are definitely a minoriy in the pro field). I have heard a couple of complaints about people having issues getting around on Macs and that is only because they come from a PC background (I know, I came from the same background) and once you lose your preconceived notions about how a computer is supposed to run you realize that the Mac actually runs about 10 times more logically than a PC.
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And BTW Amittai...are you as dissapointed as I am they dropped the 12" from the PowerBook line and the "smallest" Pro is now a whopping 15"...? I got the 12" to be as mobile as possible with the best battery life without any performance trade-offs and it's the best laptop I've ever owned sofar. When recording or performing live I only look at the screen to check parameter feedback and hardly need the keyboard or touchpad anyway since just about everything is externally MIDI-controlled.
When I'm in a studio working in multiple apps I hook up an external monitor anyway, so screen real-estate is never a problem. I haven't decided yet, but I'm leaning heavily towards getting the MacBook Black 13" dual-core 2.6 Ghz with 4GB RAM instead of the Pro when the time comes...seems the best price/mobility/performance offer except the slightly dodgy Intel GMA graphics instead of a GeForce.
"I blow minds for a living..." (Jello Biafra, 1991)
...or at least try to (me, just now)
Hehe Mortalengines...missed your post while posting my own...you sound just as happy as I normally am when I get a new powertoy ;-)
I've been using Macs since I could finally afford them but my main rig is currently a (high-end) Intel PC since I use it for my dayjob as well as an engineer, and at the time I got it Apple was still on PowerPC which would have made it almost impossible to do my work on it for various rather boring technical reasons.
But since they've switched to Intel as well, I can finally have my cake and eat it to, so when the time comes I'll be replacing my studio rig with the biggest multi-cpu Mac which money can buy and by then will probably have 4 x 8-core CPUs or something.
But...til that happy time comes, I think I might just dish out some cash for the MacBook Black since it seems it'll do exactly what I need it to...though it's not as goodlooking as my beloved Titanium PowerBook 12" or the new Pros, I think it's a safe bet for a great price. In any case I'm not buying anything until I hit a brickwall somewhere and really need more power, sofar my G4 is still smoothsailing and I hope it stays that way...allows me to spend the money on that funky Novation Remote Zero SL MIDI-controller that I've been eyeballing...and ofcourse plenty of drugs and prostitutes...I'm Dutch after all :-)
Laterz,
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"I blow minds for a living..." (Jello Biafra, 1991)
...or at least try to (me, just now)
LOL!!!!! Yeah the only real reason I upgraded is because I got sucked into the Labor Day 24 month financing for one and the fact that I got a really good deal on the Waves Platinum Bundle and I really didn't want to mess with having to transfer it to another computer (which I understand is a real pain in the ass in the case of Waves) since I planned to upgrade to a MacBook within a year anyway. Setting aside money for dope n' whores is pretty ok in my book.
Heegs, I'm with you on that 12". Maybe it's too small to fit everything inside it for the Macbook Pro... but if the only benefit of the larger size is a bigger screen, then they really should have kept the 12. If I need a bigger monitor when I'm at a studio, I can plug it into a bigger monitor... Simple as that.