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PC or MAC

Hey Guys,
I've been recording music for a while on a PC, using Cakewalk Sonar, making beats with some wav editing software (Fruity Loops, Making Waves...). I have to say I'm getting tired of having to find wav samples around, which is not always an easy task. Also the sound quality happens to be bad sometimes.

So I've been working with some 'semi-pro' musicians recently and they use a MAC, with ProTools and Logic Pro. Protools is just crazy. I like the idea of making beats with only midi samples, they are very well organized and sound quality is awesome.
I've been trying to work with midi on my PC (Cakewalk Sonar and Steinberg Cubase) and it never seemed to be working very well. There would always be a delay on the notes, or problems changing samples... lots of things like that.

Now I'm ready to make a new investment and I was going to get a new computer. I am wondering what I should actually get. The recent experience with those guys and their MAC was great, so I'm really thinking about switching to Apple. I don't know if it is a good idea since I've been working with some PC programs for over 5 years and it's probably going to be a brutal change but still, what are u guys advising? MAC or PC?


KILLERBILL's picture

PC...PC...PC...it's your Personal Computer.

matt's picture

Personally I'd stick with PC. I suspect if you're getting delay on your notes it will be either an issue with your audio interface, or in how its setup?

Macs are great for studio DAWs, but these days so are PCs with good software and interface just like you'd need with the Mac setup.

Welcome to MakeTunes too by the way, and happy new year.

djhades's picture

Ok, so everybody says to stick with PC!

I guess I would rather do that, than to start learning new OS, new programs and kind of start all over again.

What programs are u using to make beats? Do you use midi or wav samples/instruments?

Well about my setup, its pretty is simple. I have a keyboard that has midi output and input. So I got one of thoses USB midiSport connected to the computer. The programs recogize them easily but there is always a delay when play the notes in sonar or cakewalk.. Very annoying. I wonder what's wrong it all that...

Happy New Year !

matt's picture

Ah the midisport is just a midi interface, which lets you hook up midi devices, but doesn't provide audio processing hardware (which is needed to bring your latency down to an acceptable level).

Do you know what make/model your soundcard is? Chances are its not an ASIO compatible one if you're getting a noticable delay.

You should look into getting a solid audio interface, and once you load your ASIO drivers, you should be able to drop your latency in Cubase/Sonar/etc from like 200ms or whatever you're at now (big delay), down to 5 or 6ms (basically instant audible notes).

Even a card like the Audiophile would achieve this, and its only $99.

Amittai's picture

I disagree. I grew up using PCs and Windows and I would talk some crap about Macs... That all changed with my first time going into a professional studio to record with my old band. I learned a lot, not by talking and discussing, but by watching it as it happened. I watched that Mac do some shit that I know all of the PCs of my past put together would never accomplish. When it came time for me to build my own studio I bought my first Mac, the Powerbook G4... It works so well I can actually forget about the damn thing and concentrate on putting my inspiration to track. I never met a PC user (and I go the the Art Institute of Atlanta for Audio Production) who does audio easily on PC in this way. Maybe sometimes, but with my Mac I've outlived several of my classmate's PC glitches. Oh, and I know from experience working with Audio and Video that 1gig of ram on a Mac totally surpasses 1gig of ram on a PC, period.
I hope not to offend any devoted PC users... I just saw something you couldn't argue with when I went to that studio... And I'll bet a good 90% of all the hits that have been on the top ten billboards since 1999 came out of a Mac. The industry knows this, why don't home-producers know it?

matt's picture

Yeah no problem Amittai - every discussion needs multiple perspectives bro. The Art Institute of Atlanta huh, that must give you a real good foundation of musical knowledge? How are you finding it?

jimzsta's picture

Well Amittai bro a few years back i would have agreed with you that macs pissed all over PC's, but that's not the case now because software and component improvements in PC's has improved so much now that in my opinion the difference between a mac and a PC is negligble, Pc's are also easier to update, cheaper to buy and repair, and have less incompatability issues than a mac. and bare in mind that home musicians are usually on a budget. but here is the clincher, if you want a pc that is as good as a Mac you wont find it in a computer shop, you will have to build it yourself or get an enthusiast to build one for you, Most shop ready pc systems that i have looked at are a pile of shit, but building your own computer is relatively easy, the hardest part of which is probably researching the componentry which you are going to use.

The Sole's picture

I agree. I am a Dell Technician so you just bit into something pal.
Amittai here are the basic specs of a Dell Optiplex 740
-upgradeable to 8 gigs of ram.
-Duo Core Duo technology(the equivalent to a 10 gig processor in it baby, and it utilizes about a meg and a half in the frontside bus department pal. You can add a terabyte hdd in it and a 512 meg pci express card in it and you've just stomped every mac ever created and there are no problems. Besides man... there are wonderful programs like Norton Ghost bro. If I ever wanted to I can have my hdd imaged in 7 minutes flat. Software is a joke. Glitches are for the mentally unprepared and Mac and Pc will compete. But you've seen the commercials man. They are FRIENDS bro.
P.S. ONe of the hundreds of different PC managers should fight the commercials that Mac has produced, giving PC a bad name.
P.P.S. I have used PC since before windows came out. Back in the days of the automenu that you get to by booting to a 5 1/4 inch floppy disk and get to dos and then type in the exe command to get to the automenu. There is one program which escapes me now, that Mac bought out the rights for and I would love to have the program, but alas, no mac.

The Sole's picture

LOGIC Pro 7

jimzsta's picture

Yeah bro im with you on all that budd... PC v's Mac its all commercial hype.. A couple of years back when fucking alienware brought out a i think it was the "Area 51" pc, my mate was tempted to buy it for around £2700 (Phew) i convinced him i could build a better, nicer looking system for cheaper. I did it for £1700 and he got twice the hardrive gigage, twice the Ram memory which was 2 sticks twinned, a real meaty high quality switching power transormer, an awesome motherboard with support and built in wifi, he got a better sound card, and a better graphics card which was an Nvidia (golden sample) baby, plus he got an awesome cpu heat sync..it pissed all over the Area 51 and was much much cheaper and he was delighted with it....im sure you will agree SOLE build it yourself, and i i agree with you SoleBABY there isn't a MAc out there which can't be outbuilt by a hard ass pc

The Sole's picture

YEah ..special note...Dell bought out Alienware. Heheh. But refurbished systems... Dell cannot be beat. You can buy it cheaper then building it. But new.. you are right Jimsta. Everything else I agree.

jimzsta's picture

i dont trash Dell mate...out of all the prebuilt systems on the market Dell are the best "hands down"...i have repaired a few dell systems for people and i was impressed with the quality compared to the other heaps i've had to open up and repair for clients....If i had to buy a pre-built computer it would be a dell..but their are too many benefits from building your own, from the motherboard up..stay safe my alabama buddy

The Sole's picture

YOu too, brotherman.

Amittai's picture

SoleMySole, they are friends... That's why I'm trusting y'all to honor my opinions... I'm not competing, I'm just expressing my experiences. Where I stand right now on any topic of discussion will probably change a few times in the next few years. In my belief ignorance is when you forget how to question your beliefs/opinions/views. I know I'm not always right, but at this point in my music studies I'd go with Mac for all practical purposes. That may change as I do. Also, all those points you made about PCs are valid, but I can't see far enough into my own future from here to know when I'd ever need to do any of that. My storebought Mac happens to handle everything I lay on it, just as is. Maybe if I had a PC I'd have to constantly anticipate those upgrades, but with a solid Apple set up there is no need to upgrade.

Matt, yes, the Art Institute goes over a lot of history of music and artists and producers... and also of the technical/studio side of things. Alot of my professors are professionals in the industry as well. The standards in equipment and knowlege for my program are set directly by the industry... Particularly the companies here in the southeast who will be finding their new employees at the Art Institute.

Amittai's picture

What would any producer of MUSIC ever need 8 gigs of ram for anyways??? Especially a home producer. That doesn't seem practical... It'd probably be real nice for gaming tho...

The Sole's picture

I hear ya man.

djp16's picture

DjHades, this may help with what Matt was talking about with the "ASIO" sound card, instead of buying a new one if need be, you could try this out (i havnt tested it yet), apparently its a Free Universal ASIO driver for basically any sound card, which sounds cheaper than buying a new sound card.

Maybe test it, tell us how ya go mate. Matt, maybe also worth checking out?

bariga's picture

For the asio setup you should download asio4all.
which is a small program making it very easy to setup your soundcard (if it's asio supported).

also i noticed that at some places i can select MME or DX instead of asio.
but at battery i can only select asio. anyone knows what MME and DX is all about?

and amitai,
i'm considering buyin a mac, and i've read that a mac mini should do.
though i'd rather have a notebook then a "desktop".
i also need a firewire 6pin for my fw1814 since i got an us adaptor with it.
at this time i got my eyes on the macbook pro lighty adjusted, but the price went up to like 2900 € that's like 3100$.
which for the moment is a bit to much. but i'd rather wait a few months more.
and get a good mac, instead of buying one and a new one in 3 years or so.

maybe you can help me out.
i'd appreciate it big time!!!

Big up

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m-audio 1814; edirol pc-50, yamaha psr-e403; akai mpd24, reloop rp-4000 m3ds; reloop effex 2 and one pc with alot of samples :p

equalibrum's picture

if your rich and NOT computer savy...then get a mac.
If you ARE computer savy and don't have alot of money to spend on software and you have friends who "have ways" of finding things..
get a PC..

Think of yourself as a learning student. Spend alot of money on equipment & software when you are making lots of money with your music...

Nothings wrong with learning for free...

Overall...Mac is great for protools and reason.
But both those programs run great on PC too..

If you are having sound quality issues then you prolly need a better interface or you need to start working at a higher bit and sample rate.

in the end result depends on you...not the computer, hardware or software you choose..

Four Tet for instance is an amazing producer who uses an old ass version of Cakewalk to make his tracks...yet he is signed to one of the largest electro/instru hiphop labels out there.."Ninja Tune"...the guy has like 7 or so albums you can find at your local CD store....and he uses AN OLD ASS VERSION OF CAKE WALK??!? hahah...hes made jokes in interviews how its like a cool thing to work with retro hardware...but working with retro software is totally uncool in the publics eyes hahah...his music proves otherwise.

here is his myspace:
http://www.myspace.com/fourtetkieranhebden

Stick with whatever you are comfortable with.
If you are getting bored with how you do things then
explore different ways of doing them with what you have.
No need to start over you know?

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