When is it legal?

well when they say that the loops and/or samples are "Royalty free" they're free to use otherwise you got to mention them in the credits if they let you use them in the first place....I think that's the way it goes, is that right Sole? (he's the man to ask)...lol....

Oh and don't bother clearing a song with sample until you are getting ready to release it. If you are not gonna officially release it and try to make money on it, then just leave it alone until you get ready to do something with it. Like with my sampled beats, if an artist wants it, I'll get it cleared for him, but until someone expresses interest, then I'm not gonna bother with it.

Take two of these beats, and call me in the morning. Doctor's orders!

Yeah Sole is a slick dude that's for sure Rev. :)

Doctor Ryzl

Oh and don't bother clearing a song with sample until you are getting ready to release it. If you are not gonna officially release it and try to make money on it, then just leave it alone until you get ready to do something with it. Like with my sampled beats, if an artist wants it, I'll get it cleared for him, but until someone expresses interest, then I'm not gonna bother with it.

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I see and this would also include a non - direct commercial use ?
I mean lets say you make a song but not for sale but for promotion and upload it to an indie site to give away for streaming and downloads?

This brings up another question any samples say of a Taylor or Gipson guitar that you make yourself you have to copyright every sample ?

I know how much a single song cost to copyright that must be very expensive.

Thanks for the link Doc. :)

You know there ought to be a site where people do make them themselves and share with other people who are sharing theirs with everyone else.. :)

Using samples of instruments like gibson guitars or korg keyboards, does not require you to clear those thru gibson or korg... but if you're talking about having to copyright all your riffs... no. just the songs you use them in. I mean if you make a riff and then don't use it in a song, then you hear someone else use that riff months down the line, then yeah you'll kick yourself in the ass for that, but that would be a rare coincidence if someone thought up the same riff without knowing you or hearing that riff.

And yes, using it for promotional use would be the same as releasing it for sales. So doing the clearance and getting it copyrighted would be in your best interest. Now as for copyrighting, you don't have to do them individually. You can copyright them as a collection. Its $65 to file your copyright registration electronically thru the US Copyright Office. and you can file it as a group registration and include up to 12 (that number might have changed... check up on it) items under the same copyright and only have to pay for the one filing instead of doing each one individually for $65. Here's the official link: http://www.copyright.gov/eco/

You guys give me too much credit! lol! Yeah, I'm a smart d00d sometimes, (~135 IQ... smart, but not super smart. And of all my friends, I have one of the middle of the road IQs... My one friends has a 178!! Fucking genius! Literally!) but this stuff comes from having extra spare time on the computer. I fix PCs for a living and that's pretty much scan, wait, scan, wait, scan, wait... so in those wait times I use my mad google skills, and my awesome ability to filter the bullshit out, to help you guys out and get you the info I think might be pertinent to your problems. Its more time then smarts! ;P

Take two of these beats, and call me in the morning. Doctor's orders!

that's dabbling if I ever heard it...lol.....